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What Role Should the United States of America take in dealing with foreign countries?

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by KristallNacht on Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:11 am

CivBase wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:its 2 groups fighting eachother over control of a single country with no other countries involved.

thats a civil war.
No other countries involved? So... half the world doesn't count, then?

they only got involved after the fact.

forcing yourself to take part in another countries civil war, doesn't make it NOT a civil war.
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by TNine on Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:44 pm

The US gains another ally in the region and can finally start looking good to the Arab people. If we help Arabs, they won't want to kill us as bad.
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by Indecisive One. on Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:11 pm

TNine wrote:A balance.

The US was too aggressive in Iraq, and is being (slightly) too passive in Libya. We need to lead the way for other countries, but not drag them along.

didn't we launch fighter jets that dropped bombs on libya? not really too passive there. Razz
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by tiny tim on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:36 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:So what exactly constitutes a reason to go to war, in your book? An attack on the United States? We saw how well that kind of isolationism worked during both world wars.

I mean, frankly, why is a civil war any more private than a war between two nations, neither of which is the US or one her close allies? If Iraq invades Kuwait, what do we gain from helping Kuwait?

a civil war is more private because its a necessary thing for a developing nation, and its a fight between the government and the governed, or two groups of governed.

2 nations has two governments fighting.

with kuwait, we've already made treaties and such that cover our assistance in times of military need.

So if the rebels actually declare their independence and for ma government(Which I have heard they are attempting to do) id it still a civil war? Should we stay uninvolved then?

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by CivBase on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:54 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
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KristallNacht wrote:its 2 groups fighting eachother over control of a single country with no other countries involved.

thats a civil war.
No other countries involved? So... half the world doesn't count, then?

they only got involved after the fact.

forcing yourself to take part in another countries civil war, doesn't make it NOT a civil war.
One could argue that without world support, the rebellion would not have become as active as it is now and the situation may have never escalated to war.

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by tiny tim on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:58 pm

Hypothetically, though. Perhaps in a situation like our own Civil War.

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by KristallNacht on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:59 pm

tiny tim wrote:

So if the rebels actually declare their independence and for ma government(Which I have heard they are attempting to do) id it still a civil war? Should we stay uninvolved then?

they formed within a governed nation. Technically they can't have a proper government because they have no sovereign land.

How would this new 'government' exactly establish who is governed by them and who isn't?
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by tiny tim on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:07 pm

I believe that would be up to the new government. How did we decide that we were no longer a part of Britain? Which, by the way, would not have been possible without international help.

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by Vigil on Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:20 am

KristallNacht wrote:
tiny tim wrote:

So if the rebels actually declare their independence and for ma government(Which I have heard they are attempting to do) id it still a civil war? Should we stay uninvolved then?

they formed within a governed nation. Technically they can't have a proper government because they have no sovereign land.

How would this new 'government' exactly establish who is governed by them and who isn't?

Let me spout some specific examples.

Northern/Repbulic of Ireland.=Republic receeded from UK rule and formed their own state and government, completely independent of our juristiction.

Pakistan/India.= Again they broke in two and are now two seperate entities.

Crypus.= Island is in two pieces one belong to Grecce, the other to Turkey.

North/South Korea.

I'd like to point out, all these countries did break up after a conflict and a ceeded government forming against the state government of the land and declaring indepence, which has been said the US did in the war of indepence.

Ironically for me, It's amusing to note that the UK was involved in virtually all these fracturing of countries into two seperate states. We have a knack it seems to break countries into two if the people inside them are fighting.

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:57 pm

I believe it's called divide and abandon, Vigil. ;)

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by Nocbl2 on Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:13 pm

If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by MrX on Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:19 pm

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by TNine on Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:24 pm

The Pariah wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by MrX on Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:32 pm

TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by TNine on Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:09 pm

The Pariah wrote:
TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?
What about it?
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by Angatar on Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:16 pm

Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...
I guess letting people commit genocide is okay because people decided to be selfish and lazy and not do anything to stop it?

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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by MrX on Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:35 pm

TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?
What about it?

I was asking if you reckon america isnt the self righteous do-gooder it claims to be.
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Re: The Role of the US in Foreign Countries

Post by TNine on Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:48 pm

The Pariah wrote:
TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
TNine wrote:
The Pariah wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:If the US would stop rubbing its nose in everyones shit, then we would be fine. But no...

If everyone would stop rubbing their nose in other peoples shit, we would all be fine. Altruism and such is written in human instinct unfortunately.
Meh. Asking for and giving help is human instinct, it is what makes society run. In many parts of the world where we are in, we need to stay for one reason or another. How much help is too much? When do we show too much favoritism? That's more of the problem.

Fair point but what of the capitalism in all this? such as the oil profit from the iraq war?
What about it?

I was asking if you reckon america isnt the self righteous do-gooder it claims to be.
No. I think that America does a lot of work for the common good, or to remove dictators from power, but only when it benefits us. We look good when we remove the dictator of Egypt, forgetting we put him there in the first place, and kept him in power. We allow Saudi Arabia to be oppressive because they are our allies. And that last one i agree on, if we ditched our allies in the Mideast it would be even more unstable. As a nation, we need to make sure we don't step on too many people's toes as to do the right thing.

It's not a simple answer, and it is one of the few times where doing the right thing can be very damaging for everyone.
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